Stop trying to keep up with Schill and get some sleep Rob!
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
Rob,
Do you think this move might change the Red Sox stance on signing Schilling to a 1 year extension?
Fenway Blogger
· 2 years ago
I remember a lot of those quotes and it is always the way how thoughts can change. Who said talk is cheap? I like the move. A closer we need. Hopefully Lester the lefty will play an important role. Tavarez can fill spots as he did last year. Great blog!
griffin
· 2 years ago
I'm a bit confused at this post, Rob. Either you're pounding home the fact that Papelbon is a liar, or (the way I look at these quotes), you're showing us a young man who was trying to convince himself of something that, deep down, he really didn't want to do (but would have done, for the sake of his team). I sincerely hope it's the latter.
John
· 2 years ago
The more I think about it, the more I like the move. What's the use of having the best 5-man rotation in baseball if we can't close games out effectively? If Paps wants to close, more power to him. Tavares can fill in until Lester is 100% again. And if Tavares is a disaster, Kyle Snyder or Kason Gabbard can fill the bill. Let's face it: the Red Sox have far more options for starters than they do for closers.
Joe
· 2 years ago
I might be the only person in Red Sox Nation not concerned with his shoulder. He suffered from transient subluxation, which if you break it down means that he has a passing partial dislocation of the shoulder. It doesn't necessary mean there was structural damage but that this could become a recurring problem (I associate it to a speedster having hammy issues). Now the doc's right in saying that a set schedule would allow him time during the season to monitor and strengthen his shoulder but if he was planning on throwing around 3000 pitches (100 pitches a start, 30 starts) then he was going to have to strengthen his shoulder prior to the season regardless.
Also, Shelia Papelbon, Jon's mom, is a sometimes poster over at soxprospects.com and she stopped by yesterday to calm some folks fears. She said that his 2006 MRI was as clean as his 2003 MRI when he was first signed. That's signficant because she had told us awhile back how the doctor doing his physical was amazed at how clean his shoulder was, no scar tissue at all. This was because he mostly caught and played first in HS and when he was in college, he closed. So if after this arm injury, there was still no scar tissue in his arm, then I think his arm should be alright to close. Maybe Tito can't use him like a yo-yo like he did last year and with a stronger pen (on paper) than last year, hopefully Jon won't have to warm up out of no where to get one of his fellow pen members out of a jam as often. But I, for one, am not worried about his shoulder. ~Joe~
Danielle
· 2 years ago
Rob--
Can you please ask Papelbon or Farrell what was up with his arm angle yesterday? It wasn't 3/4, but it definitely looked lower than normal. Just trying something new, or what? Didn't seem to help his control.
Thanks, Danielle
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
Do you have / can you get insight as to why Tavarez was selected for the 5th spot instead of Snyder? Snyder seemed to have a significantly better Spring. What do they love about Tavarez? He seems to have a tough mentality (like a closer) but not dependable. Isn't Syder showing better control, good enought stuff and more consistency? Thanks. Love your blog.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
Last year, Snyder struggled immensely the second and third time through the order, and had a staggering HR/9IP rate. Doesn't bode well for starter, and Tavarez did pretty well in his spot starts. That's probably why Julian's getting the first bid.
Snyder could work very well out of the bullpen if he curbs the longballs because of his high K rate.
Clem
· 2 years ago
I just want to chime in and speculate that having Pap penciled in as a starter might've made the Daisuke negotiations a little easier. Imagine Boras' demands if he thought the Sox had Schilling , Beckett, and Wake... and Clement and Lester coming back from surgery and cancer, respectively. Not good. Along with all the other issues, it always made sense to consider Pap as a starter and make other teams think that you might not have him as a closer. Right? In the end, the shoulder looks good, Daisuke is signed, the back end of the rotation has a few people to choose from, and Pap is able to do what he did so well last year.
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Double Post!
Stop trying to keep up with Schill and get some sleep Rob!
Rob,
Do you think this move might change the Red Sox stance on signing Schilling to a 1 year extension?
I remember a lot of those quotes and it is always the way how thoughts can change. Who said talk is cheap? I like the move. A closer we need. Hopefully Lester the lefty will play an important role. Tavarez can fill spots as he did last year. Great blog!
I'm a bit confused at this post, Rob. Either you're pounding home the fact that Papelbon is a liar, or (the way I look at these quotes), you're showing us a young man who was trying to convince himself of something that, deep down, he really didn't want to do (but would have done, for the sake of his team). I sincerely hope it's the latter.
The more I think about it, the more I like the move. What's the use of having the best 5-man rotation in baseball if we can't close games out effectively? If Paps wants to close, more power to him. Tavares can fill in until Lester is 100% again. And if Tavares is a disaster, Kyle Snyder or Kason Gabbard can fill the bill. Let's face it: the Red Sox have far more options for starters than they do for closers.
I might be the only person in Red Sox Nation not concerned with his shoulder. He suffered from transient subluxation, which if you break it down means that he has a passing partial dislocation of the shoulder. It doesn't necessary mean there was structural damage but that this could become a recurring problem (I associate it to a speedster having hammy issues). Now the doc's right in saying that a set schedule would allow him time during the season to monitor and strengthen his shoulder but if he was planning on throwing around 3000 pitches (100 pitches a start, 30 starts) then he was going to have to strengthen his shoulder prior to the season regardless.
Also, Shelia Papelbon, Jon's mom, is a sometimes poster over at soxprospects.com and she stopped by yesterday to calm some folks fears. She said that his 2006 MRI was as clean as his 2003 MRI when he was first signed. That's signficant because she had told us awhile back how the doctor doing his physical was amazed at how clean his shoulder was, no scar tissue at all. This was because he mostly caught and played first in HS and when he was in college, he closed. So if after this arm injury, there was still no scar tissue in his arm, then I think his arm should be alright to close. Maybe Tito can't use him like a yo-yo like he did last year and with a stronger pen (on paper) than last year, hopefully Jon won't have to warm up out of no where to get one of his fellow pen members out of a jam as often. But I, for one, am not worried about his shoulder.
~Joe~
Rob--
Can you please ask Papelbon or Farrell what was up with his arm angle yesterday? It wasn't 3/4, but it definitely looked lower than normal. Just trying something new, or what? Didn't seem to help his control.
Thanks,
Danielle
Do you have / can you get insight as to why Tavarez was selected for the 5th spot instead of Snyder? Snyder seemed to have a significantly better Spring. What do they love about Tavarez? He seems to have a tough mentality (like a closer) but not dependable. Isn't Syder showing better control, good enought stuff and more consistency? Thanks. Love your blog.
Last year, Snyder struggled immensely the second and third time through the order, and had a staggering HR/9IP rate. Doesn't bode well for starter, and Tavarez did pretty well in his spot starts. That's probably why Julian's getting the first bid.
Snyder could work very well out of the bullpen if he curbs the longballs because of his high K rate.
I just want to chime in and speculate that having Pap penciled in as a starter might've made the Daisuke negotiations a little easier. Imagine Boras' demands if he thought the Sox had Schilling , Beckett, and Wake... and Clement and Lester coming back from surgery and cancer, respectively. Not good. Along with all the other issues, it always made sense to consider Pap as a starter and make other teams think that you might not have him as a closer. Right? In the end, the shoulder looks good, Daisuke is signed, the back end of the rotation has a few people to choose from, and Pap is able to do what he did so well last year.