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Personally, I intend to enjoy the level of play on the field without worrying about the soap opera-esque background drama.
Destroy the J-E-T-S!
Get over yourselves.
Here's to seeing shady brady's knee turned into spaghetti on sun.
I hope you realize people who call themselves "Shooter McGavin" are fags.
Wassamatta Mikey, don't you love our Patriots? Which team are you a fan of? Or are you too ashamed to tell us you coward?
Bill Burt is not a homer as most writers in Boston simply are. His story is most likely true.
All season we have read football insiders repeat the fact that "all" teams were involved in videotaping other teams to get another edge.
Folks like you just cannot square these simple and understandble claims by those in the know with the delicious irony of the one team which has finally been outed - the Jets - well, go ahead and continue to be ignorant. The real loss for you is that you will be missing football history because your eyes are closed. When you finally decide to open your eyes, and ears for that matter, you might realize this simple fact that all the teams were involved in the same practice.
The Pats are merely a hard working group of focused players who are committed not only to each other but their coach.
John, if that rumor is true it explains why Tan-A-Bum denied it in October to Jay Glazier and now admits it. He must have found out the Pats have the evidence so he could no longer deny it.
If it is true I hope the Pats leak it to the Media before the game.
Making sure you didn't leave any cancelled checks with your trainer?
Eric Man-Dummy is 3-10, cannot sleep at night, and has applied to break down special teams film at Notre Dame next year...hey, what's their record?
Just like the naive believe the Mitchell Report provides "closure", those same believe the Pats were the only team to use video to get an edge. BTW, and I get a kick out of this, a friend who works at Shea says they routinely videotape opposing catchers' signals during the early innings to 'get an edge".
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Fellas, congrats on all of your success*, but Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens have to question whether the Pats accomplishments are tainted.
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I am sorry I called Shooter a fag.
I guess they get a pass because they're Pats fan?
But tattling on Bill was soooo delightful,
We can stop the Pats from 16 and oh,
So, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow."
and just so you are aware I'm a cowboys fan, so, no, they didn't get a free pass for being pat's fans.
I will not be writing to you further, as you clearly are unwilling to change the way you act, thanks to the comfort of your security blanket: internet anonymity. Good luck in the future with being a dick for no reason, I am sure it wins people over on a regular basis.
"No one with any sense would continue to provoke after what I said to you" -- only a little full of ourselves, aren't we? I hate to be the one to let you know your posts areren't insightful, and filled with the wisdom you believe they are.
Let me help you understand why I find you so offensive: I apologized for what I said and yet afterwards you still found it necessary to blather on, talking loud and saying nothing.
Accept my apology, or don't, (I stopped caring) but STFU.
And funny to hear you refer to internet anonymity while you benefit from the same, no?
Glass houses Pat, glass houses.
.The Jets have been accused of a similar act, they said they had permission, the Pats say no. The NFL has said they are Ok with the Jets “as long as they had permission”. The obvious question is who is telling the truth?
The Colts have been accused of turning up the heat and the volume in their domed stadium on more than one occasion. One of their employees has stated they do it. The lack of concrete evidence doesn’t prove them innocent, only that they may have gotten away with it.
The Steelers of the 70’s had players on steroids and their team doctor has been indicted I believe. Does that mean they are cheaters and their 5 SB wins should be “asterisked”?
The Dolphins had all of the Pats snap counts last year, made a big deal of it for a day or two and then conspicuously backed away form the statements. Why? Did they gain them by manners that shall we say may be questionable?
And what team broke a rule and was docked a draft pick during a particularly successful. None other than the Dolphins and Don Shula.
What team was over the cap a few years ago and was fined? The Broncos.
The Jets were accused by Baltimore this year of simulating the snap count, a distinct violation of the rules.
If you have resources you can probably find some sort of dirt on every team. It doesn’t appear any are above this gamesmanship. To look at the scope of this issue and center in on only the Pats is narrow minded at best.
Oh and one other thing, to those that wish a player would get hurt. That is about as low as you can get. I am appalled by those individuals.
To the writer that wrote he would take the penalty on a late hit. What kind of hypocritical idiot are you? Videotaping is wrong and the perpetrators should be fined but this type of action that is also against the rules is ok?
All good points, but the key difference is most of the acts you cited are only allegations, or worthy of a penalty flag (Jets calling out signals). The Patriots cheating was so systematic the penalties were unprecedented - $750K in total fines plus loss of their first rd draft pick. That makes a big difference.
So basically the only difference is as I said they got caught, red handed I might add.
My point is this pretty much all of the teams have done something illegal. Listen to some of the coaches comments, Jimmy Johnson, Billick, etc... Some get caught, and some don't. If you want to believe that even though the Colts who have been accused on more than one occaision of these imprpprieties are innocent that is your right. Just because an O lineman doesn't get flagged for holding during a game doesn't mean for a second that he didin't hold someone. From a purely technical standpoint he did nothing wrong but as an observer watching it live or on replay it may be quite obvious it occurred.
My belief is that they (the Pats) were guilty and they paid a price. They have however proven that even without the benefit of tapes they can win, quite well I might add.
The allegations against other teams are there to read and believe if you choose. I personally believe rule breaking occurs.
By the way they are not just allegations against the Steelers, and Bronco's.
One question for you. Who is your team?
I have friends who are not Pats fans. Giants, Steelers, Rams, Raiders, Dolphins, Jets, and Colts. It makes for interesting games once in awhile to say the least. We are all in agreement that Belichick does not have the best people skills but they don't pay him for that anyways. I asked this question to all of them. Who would you rather have, your current coach or Belichick.
All of them would want Belichick at the helm.
I am a Jets fan. Belicheat was my coach - for one day!
There is a huge difference in perception when you caught vs just suspicions, no matter how strong they are. Just see the reaction to Clemens since Thursday. Getting caught does make all the difference - think of baseball with its "if you're not cheating, you're not trying" and compare that to the reaction Sosa got when he was caught with the corked bat. He got more flak than he ever has for his "alleged" steroid use. The difference? We "know" he did one act, but he was caught with the other.
I agree completely that the Pats did not need to cheat to win this year. It's what makes Belicheat's actions even more despicable. He gave folks a reason to wonder* about all he and the Pats have accomplished the last 6 years, whereas prior to SpyGate, they earned nothing but respect, grudging as it may have been.
Like I said with the Jets on the field transgression, holding is a poor example - it's impossible to compare something that gets only a penalty flag vs what Belicheat did. You only need to look at the penalties for each - refs missing calls all the time is part of the game. Just last week while you guys were dismantling the Steelers and A Smith, I watched the refs get a call wrong against the Browns - our QB broke the plane on a 4th and 1 sneak, but he was ruled down. Just like we're still waiting for Vinny to score on the same play against the Seahawks in '98 - one the field and off the field are not remotely a fair comparison.
Back to the Steelers and roids, what do you mean? I only heard about Haslett saying they did - are you referring to something else? If no, sure we believe it (why would he say something like that if it wasn't true?) but notice no outcry, no desire for * to their dynasty of the 70s.
Right. Where there's smoke there's fire.